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authorArthur Hanson Rasmusson <arthur@vgpu.io>2026-10-26 10:58:39 -0400
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docs/04-real-render-walls: SESSION 131 section 10 - the utility ring lives in vidmem (map PA 0xa0000, live entry 0x120100000/40) and the decoded 14-entry LID ring is a STALE page from a dead session, which is why its payload chunks read zero through every path (four reads + BO poller + gdb write-watchpoint); the CUDA contrast proves the LID arm works with real contiguous payloads; next step is reading the live ring through the map and decoding its entries
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@@ -258,3 +258,51 @@ family than the observed zero-buffer uploads. Next steps: find the SASS
upload shape (pitch-pool destination, possibly on another channel or a
non-LID copy) and then the `n_data` descriptor/operand wiring
(section 8); with both, the physical forward can execute the dispatch.
+
+## 10. UPDATE 2026-10-26 (SESSION 131): the utility-ring translation is the live problem - the decoded LID entries are from a STALE ring page; the live ring is in vidmem
+
+**The ring is in vidmem, and its content varies per client.** The
+utility channel's ring VA (0x4020000) resolves through the service's
+learned map to a **vidmem** offset (PA 0xa0000, next to the channel's
+USERD at 0x8fe00), and the pump's own entry read shows the live ring's
+content: on the r750-era clients `entry[0] va=0x120100000 len=0x28`
+(`sema-chan: entry[0] h=0xbeef0100 eng=0 raw=0000280120100000
+va=0x120100000 len=40`). A dump of the vidmem ring (dump_vidmem 0xa0000)
+confirms exactly one entry there.
+
+**The decoded LID entries (the 14-entry ring at 0x4000000/0x4250000) are
+from a STALE page.** The sweep's ring read (`svc_read_va` of the ring VA)
+can resolve a **guest-RAM** page (e.g. PA 0x13003d000) that holds an
+EARLIER client's ring - a coherent 14-entry ring whose LID uploads target
+the Vulkan client's own allocations (dst 0x423f000 -> vidmem 0x1e0000,
+dst 0x4448000 -> vidmem 0x1c0000, 256 B = GF100_ZERO_BUFFER_SIZE and
+12288 B). Those entries are real, but they belong to a dead session: the
+payload chunks they point at (VA 0x4250000/0x4250110 -> the session's
+1 MB staging BO) read zero through EVERY path - the sweep's channel read,
+the direct registered-VAS walk, the learned map, the guest's own
+`/proc/<pid>/mem` view of the BO, `/proc/kcore`, a whole-run
+high-frequency poller of every 1 MB BO the client maps, and a gdb
+hardware write-watchpoint that never fires - because the session ended
+and the BO's pages were freed/reused. **The payload is not missing from a
+live upload; it is a stale-session artifact.**
+
+**The CUDA contrast proves the mechanism.** A CUDA client's LID rows on
+the same boot show the arm working with real payloads:
+`h=0x5c000019 i=2 va=0x2004002c0 len=0xb8 ... tail_va=0x200400378
+tail=0x1c t8=200125a6 00000001 ... saw=1 fired=1 zero=0
+dst=0xd2e00000` - the tail (the next GPFIFO entry) is CONTIGUOUS with the
+push and holds a real method stream, the arm materializes it into the
+high vidmem family, and the CUDA battery passes.
+
+**Next steps (ranked).**
+1. Read the LIVE client's ring through the map (vidmem 0xa0000) during a
+ client run and decode its entries - that is the live upload path; the
+ sweep's `svc_read_va` source preference must not answer with a stale
+ RAM page (verify the ring page by content: the entries must lie in the
+ client's current VA allocations, and the ring must be the same page the
+ pump reads).
+2. With the live ring decoded, the SASS upload shape follows; the
+ descriptor/operand wiring (`n_data=0`) remains the second gate.
+3. `sema_util_dec_log` (96/boot) and `svc_gr_util_log` (24/boot) budgets
+ were exhausted early in multi-client boots, hiding later rows; make
+ them per-session for diagnosis.